I mean, what do you make of the whole narrative communication aspect of it?

I think your analysis is spot on there.

I think mainstream parties have been in a really difficult situation.

They see genuine public anxiety, some of which has a basis, right? We talked earlier about how there's a kernel of truth often in some of the kind of far-right messaging.

I mean, we have seen some impact of immigration on housing.

Population growth does lead to pressures.

We have had some problematic in the UK instances of asylum seeker crime, like pretending that those things aren't happening is not a very good strategy.

And so if you take that away from them with no real explanation and you're being perceived to give it to someone else who just showed up at the door, sometimes irregularly without permission, that it can have an effect on the local community and that that's not irrational.