Now, where did you find Saturday Night Live and Gilda, McKenna?

Um, it started with me a lot with YouTube clips, um, because there's a very good, like, backlog of clips from, like, sh- episodes way, all the way from the '70s until now.

And so I did a lot of exploring that on my own, um, as well as seeing, like, the compilations they would put together around the holidays and kind of revisiting some of those old sketches.

So that's some of where I was first, like, seeing Gilda and recognizing that it was her.

Um, but it's funny, in getting ready for this podcast, I was talking to my parents about it and realized that, like, they had been making references to her bits-

... have you run into that problem, where men don't like or get threatened when you're funnier than they are?

Threatened, yes, 'cause I've definitely been in spaces that are very, like, male forward, where it feels like you're kinda coming up against a wall when you're trying to come in as a woman.

Like, having, like, tried to lead an improv group w- that was majority men, there is, like, just a feeling of extra pressure, of like, I think everyone is, is putting up an extra wall for me to kinda climb up to to get here.