So please paint for us in brief a picture of what apartheid was so that people can understand the kind of environment that Brenda was being born, was born in.

Right.

So, yes, Brenda was born in 1964 in November.

And at that time in South Africa's history, we were almost 20 years within apartheid.

Right.

So apartheid as a legalized, you know, racialized system.

segregation um was in effect from 1948 right so she was absolutely slap bang born slap bang in the middle of apartheid and she was the last born in her family and it's interesting that the last born happened to be such a she grew up to be such a little rebellious girl but uh in in in the 60s We also had anti-apartheid movements.

then of course in think