about the concept of kairos? I know it's meaningful to you, and it is to me,

too.

Yes.

You know, I felt so much... shame in the season that I was carrying this by myself.

And I felt that voice spoke to me a lot.

But something that has countered that so deeply is this understanding of time and understanding of timing.

And I think, you know, like our kids at school, you know, they learn Kronos time.

I mean, let's,