Do you have any particular processes that you come back to when it comes to writing songs? Does it feel different every time? What's kind of the buildup for writing songs for you? It's

funny, I just taught at a songwriting camp out in Oregon all of last week, so... feeling closer than usual to thinking about that kind of stuff.

For me, I tell people the process is like growing a watermelon vine, because you have to grow a lot of vine before you start to see any evidence of fruit that's going to form.

so it's just like a lot of writing just being

dedicated and devoted to putting ideas down or just like letting ideas flow in your mind and then not being too attached to things that come out and then once in a while noticing oh there's something that thing really sticks in my mind taking a walk and that little part always pops into my head whenever I walk my dog or something and just things that feel sticky ideas that feel sticky or feel inviting or you feel curious about and then spend a little more time with that idea and see where that goes, and then maybe eventually pick up the guitar and then maybe put the guitar down again and take a walk with the idea.

So it's not like a, you know, sit down at the desk and write the song from start to finish, all the verses in a linear way.

It's kind of much more a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and weaving together things from different, oftentimes different days and times and places, and it starts to feel cohesive.

And so I guess what sticks out to you about being able to connect with people through those messages?