What do you think a leader really needs to understand about themselves really well before they can become a great leader to other people?

Yeah, great question.

So I believe this, like regardless of if you never have any intention of managing anyone or even leading an organization, this is still a critical thing to do.

So it's almost like this is a criteria that makes you a good human.

And then on top of that, good leadership.

But I would say, and I love your point around often we don't even have these moments to stop thinking because we're taken by the tide of whatever the corporate ladder is or other ladders.

I do think that it's often when we get it wrong, we're stuck.

So

in venture capital firms, um, you know, really opened your eyes to some of these red flags, so to speak, that are impacting big business.

Definitely.

And so look, I think part and parcel of this is the fact that it's systemic.

Leadership used to be something that was more directive, autocratic, you know, in terms of the Industrial Revolution, we needed productivity.

The expectations of workers have ev- has evolved, and so I think some of those management techniques or leadership doctrines no longer resonated, and what you see is the human attrition side of it.

Mm.

Maybe at a weekly level, a rotating facilitator.

Maybe people need to send their ideas in beforehand, right? Maybe you have it in a way that allows those who are hybrid to co- communicate right at the start.