But what are you seeing here, some of those pressures?

Well, I think JLR, to speed it up, is a good example of, You know, do you contain or is it containment or continuity? Do you pull the plug? Because obviously, very quickly, if you're talking about ransomware, we always have the interesting bit is, would you pay the ransom? And we do this in all the conferences we go to.

And I thought all the stats show that 85% of people say, no, don't pay the ransom.

And as an ex-police officer, obviously never pay the bad guys.

That's what we always said.

However, when you actually get into, you look at the actual data, it's 85 or 90% of people actually pay.

So it's all very well and good saying, well, we don't want to pay the bad guys because it's going to...

So what is it that makes a simulation effective, though? And how can it help reveal maybe some gaps in both leadership and technical teams before one of those attacks hit?