It all came to you naturally." But I know that that's probably not true.

It's not true.

[laughs] It's not.

I mean, I, I, you know, you know, my first years in leading here, I made a lot of mistakes.

I'm, things I'm not proud of.

You know, just being too tough on employees at times.

Um, you know, I was afraid, and a lot of it was f- fear factor of failing, and I just, I just don't fail, you know? I'm not going to fail.

Yeah