What sort of person does this? What's the spectrum?

Yeah.

So, [sighs] I mean, it's 2026.

Nothing's simple, is it? Um, urban exploration is not one thing, and I think that, um, that is kind of quite annoying for people who want to define it.

Like it, it... 'Cause you could say rock, you know, rock climbing is roughly one thing or like, you know, skiing.

You know, and I'm sure, you know, rock climbers and skiers would kind of push back on that.

But like the thing with urban exploration is it takes a lot of different kinds of people who are interested in lots of different kinds of things, and broadly, the scene has splintered into two halves, which are largely generational.

I think it's really relevant to this conversation to understand how you got into it, what your intentions were, whether there were any, and what you were trying to find.