And then so, you know, why did you choose the path?

Yeah, I like to say that the job I'm in now kind of found me.

I didn't find it.

I really just went to law school at the advice of my former boss at an NGO back in New York, actually.

And she wanted to kind of fast track my career, working with the UN, working with different NGOs.

The only way you can really move up is if you have a Ph.D., You've been published, you've written books.

And so she said, listen, I really need you to get your Ph.D. or to get your doctorate.

It's