I'm going

to be honest about something.

I don't think they should.

I think that we shouldn't put forth a major talent because...

A, they're already well-known figures.

And if we're going to represent Canada, let's do it in a big and interesting way.

So I honestly think that the best way that Canada can do with this is a lot of Eurovision participants are smaller artists.

So, I mean, given that your specialty is kind of breaking down Eurovision contests of the past, maybe give us some sense of, because we're not necessarily going to recognize the names, to be frank, but some sense of the type of artists, the type of music that you're thinking about for Canada that's been successful for other countries in the past.

really, that's the worst.

It was horrible and a really, I would say, kind of ugly part to period in my life where, you know, for such a long part of my career at TVNZ, as I said, I'd been the lovable, fun, easygoing person weather presenter or breakfast presenter where my whole job was just to have fun and be silly and you know make a dick of myself and then I had then I stepped up and I put myself in the position where I took a more front seat I was doing a lot more of the heavy lifting in terms of presenting I was doing political interviews and That was a real challenge for me, but a challenge that I was excited about.

And I think I didn't quite appreciate how tough the scrutiny of that job would be.

And when you are already feeling, suffering from a little bit of imposter syndrome, you know, I stepped into a role that had previously been filled by the likes of John Campbell and Jack Tame and Mike Hosking at one point and Paul Henry hosted The Breakfast Show.

You know, these massive broadcasting icons who were so revered in their jobs.

To then step into a role like that, I really felt a lot of... imposter syndrome already and then it was almost like I was seeking out validation from viewers that yes I wasn't good enough to be in this role and yes I shouldn't be doing this job and it was a very very strange thing to have to deal with in my own brain And eventually I had to get rid of it.

So I got myself off Twitter.

What does that feel like?

This timing for, for, for Canada, I mean, it- it's still popular around the world, as we've said, but is it, is it less popular than it was before? Does it, is it losing the cachet that it has for some people? And not just because of this year's controversy, just is it, is it still relevant to as many people?

I think that the relevance is still there, but I think that we, like, to be honest, we are stepping into a bit of a quagmire situation here.

There is a lot of damage that's been done to the contest and to the reputation of the EBU in general.

So it, it's really hard to separate it.

We cannot say that this contest is not political when it is.

And when certain things are happening, it's really important that, you know, we do not brush those under the rug.

They need to be confronted.

What are some of the acts, you know, which ones of the, of, of the ones you've seen are you sort of, have you filed away to say, "Okay, these are the ones that Canadian hopefuls need to, to watch and learn from"?