[laughs]

At the age of seven, I know, I know.

I, I peaked at the age of seven.

[laughs] Um, so, so but, but tell me more about it.

So the, you found at an early age that you don't, [sighs] that you're not gonna let people change or, or, or, or, or push you towards a type of making that you don't feel comfortable with.

So does that mean that while there were decades in between, at least one, um, the type of oil painting that you're doing now and the very tight airbrushing, and we can get into those works 'cause I know there was a collaborative component to stencils, airbrushing, that also really felt like you at the time? Because from where I'm standing, the big difference, the kind of glaring difference, is how joyful and, uh, present your hand is- Mm-hmm

I get it.

You know? And it, it was, that was what it was all in the service of.