So tell me, has there been like a favorite moment as a podcast guest where you've gotten to share your story and journey?

There have been so many, but I think I was on an interview and the podcast host didn't ask me this question, but it came to my head was, would I rather have no criminal record, no felonies and not have an amazing relationship with God or have the record and be all in for God? And my answer is always the same, the latter.

Because without going through the fire, And going through the pain, I couldn't help people.

I couldn't share my testimony.

I couldn't relate to a huge variety of people.

And that's really what's missing in a lot of the coaching is the coaches don't have the life experience that the people that need the coaching need, right? Because all of our experience comes from our past.

Without our past, we can't help anybody.

Was there ever a time that you almost didn't show up to tell your story to say, you know what, it's too hard, it's too something, right? And if you, how did you push through that?

pick and choose

well people do they pick and choose what i mean look it's amazing how many pastors will stand up and condemn homosexuality okay but they won't stand up and condemn abortion or they won't condemn sex outside of marriage whatever it is i mean there's a thousand or how satanic sports are i mean i There's no spiritual value that comes from sports.

And I know I hear it all the time.

They just, people disagree with me about it.

But there's nothing, there's no fruit of the spirit that comes from sports.

There's none.

What happens is men, and I believe that men use sports as a defense mechanism.

You could be making 200K a year and you know be happy with that you know versus you know always wanting more but knowing you're never going to get there and it's a losing battle you know because you look around and you might have everything but then there's nobody there there's nobody to enjoy it you know because you've pushed everybody away because they don't have the same values as you you know