So do you have, do you get into the farming practices or is that where you and Gervaris got connected? Yes.

So one of our, one of our, uh, uh, actually clients now, but started out as a friend and somebody that we sourced grapes from.

He's a big grower in the area, the manager, Juan Navarez.

Him and his family have been farming for many, many years and know the area inside and out and have a lot of education around it.

So what we do is if somebody, we, Jack and I, my dad and I know enough to walk into a vineyard and go, Something's not right.

This isn't working out.

Then I can refer you to the viticulture professionals to go, oh, yeah, you have red blotch that's spreading through your vineyard, so you're not using it.

we are back with matthew matthew you have been in you're a busy little beaver you are i want to talk about um you and your dad shopping for french oak or what kind of barrels do you guys look for and and in in your business and how often do you swap them out and how many how long have you spent get out of them