So could you please describe some early childhood experiences and perhaps how you later came to understand madness?

Yeah, thanks Isha.

I think like for many people, our stories begin with stories of our families and communities and intergenerational ancestral experiences and stories.

And I think my experiences with madness or mental health began with my mother and my mother's mother.

And I feel like my grandmother was forced to have children at a time in the late 60s, early 70s, where women were expected to have children.

And unfortunately, I think that experience for her led to her having her own grief and traumatic experiences and her imparting some of those frustrations onto my mum and having attachment issues with my mother and sharing with her that she didn't want to have children.

so that of course had a very large impact on my mother and my mother always wanted children and a partner and she left the home quite early at 18 due to her yeah bad experiences with her mother and in the home and met my father my father was you know 19 years older than her was already married with five children and she was 19 he was what 36 37 and So you can imagine my mother's parents didn't approve of the marriage and my grandmother didn't even attend the marriage.

And what, I guess, then is your vision for this work that you have done, are doing, and plan to do in future?