more up to date than I am on that, but it certainly has been tried.

There was an attempt by the far right to do it, but it was not allowed.

So you had an Arab party in government, like a couple of governments ago, And you have Arabs in the Supreme Court and working in the IDF and all of these things.

But that's not to deny that there was serious systematic discrimination.

And if you want to understand it in terms of racism, that's absolutely fine.

The problem is that I think the way that Israel was initially set up is more akin to a kind of nation state system that was in the 1920s, 1930s, which makes sense if you think about the way it was developing, where you'd have these kind of official national minorities, right? So you'd have a national majority and you'd have official national minorities who were given certain rights, but there was a distinction made in terms of their nationality.

And I'm not saying that's a good way of running it, but I think that's kind of the vision of the state that they had, which was the norm for states for a substantial period of time.

Well,