Um, Matthew, h- how do Jackets fa- fans feel? I mean, just generally speaking, how do you feel about Kaiden Lindstrom?

Well, um, everyone seems as disappointed in his development.

I don't, I don't know.

I, I, I'd s- I'd still give him a chance for sure, but it's hard to argue with the, the numbers, um, the injury history.

Um, it's feels, uh, even worse just because you consider the guy taken right after him, which, you know, to anyone at the time too, it was just, like, the wrong pick.

You could tell.

It just, you could just feel it.

Right.