it.

Because in that first couple of years, the first two years everything was actually really easy like labor overruns there was two people like how far can you really overrun yep um you know and then all of a sudden there was six people and money's gone missing yep um and i couldn't figure out where it was where it was coming from um and you know there were there were the reality is this was there was lots of different holes and it was coming from lots of places and and stuff like that so Yeah, guidance.

I actually didn't know what I was doing.

I knew the principles of what I was trying to achieve.

At the end of the day, we are taught in our apprenticeships how to be builders.

outside of that, and manage a project, and I could do that, and I can do that, and I'm good at that.

We're not taught how to be businessmen.

Yeah.