Matt, we can we can be a little bit less problematic than these people.

Fine, if we have to.

I thought this was an excuse to be problematic.

But no, I mean, it's so interesting.

Like, we'll get into it, but this is New York's season two of her show.

So, like, we've watched all these shows.

Chantel, you've watched all the shows that so many people who are on the show have seen.

But until then, tell us, what do you have going on in your neck of the woods?

So the five women that had the most glow up trajectory.

I will just say, I completely agree, but I think that, to me, this felt like the most commercial version of a reunion yet, where, like, we'll get to, but, like, Lacey's doing her music, so she's promoting that.

Like, I'm surprised she didn't announce an album there.

We have, like, Chrystia and Brandy who do their thing, and, like, maybe that leads to something.

Rodeo with the barbecue sauce.

Like, I...

And I'm sure there were other people promoting things, but...

has been on the payroll since day one, Chantel, and she never... you know i

Um, and, uh, and Melody's like, "Well, I mean, I did talk to Barrett about jury votes before he left, and he said he would vote for Taylor over D, so..." And Drew's like, "Wait, really?" [laughs] She's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Oh, wow." And then he, he later asks like, "Well," said, "who should I sit next to?" [laughs] And she's like, "Well, obviously me, uh, or Taylor, or honestly maybe D, just definitely not Devin."

Yeah.

And I've been, I, I've been waiting.

I, I don't know if they've, like, had m- specific talks about this in the past couple days, and maybe I missed it or at all.

But just, like, hearing them yesterday, uh, have this conversation so close to the end game, we will likely be down to four very, very soon.

Um, and- ...

the big decisions will have to be made, obviously, when we get to three.

[laughs]

Maybe he has a conversation with Taylor.

Yeah, no, I definitely thought it could.

I mean, um, I, I think you were saying this about how just keeping them separate, uh, or th- them staying separate was obviously doing so well for Dee's perception of being against him.

Um, but having this conversation not only out in the open, uh, where Yash can see it, but he's hearing it, just probably almost every single word that they're saying, uh, if he's walking by close enough.

And it was to the point that he had to, like, apologize.

He's like, "I'm sorry that I keep interrupting you guys.

I'm just trying to get back to the room back there." Um, uh, but aside from that, uh, just...

Uh, it's, you know, just overall impressive comp stats here from Yosh.

my god too many which is really i'm like and you're like you are not going to die

we know you're not going to die none of you are going to die like that's the that's the whole series they don't want to kill anyone off so that maybe tyler could like write a story before the next season comes up but like i just think it gets really boring and annoying when you're trying to sort through okay who is this okay like what's the fbi agent but then who's this cop but is the cop good or bad but then there's like two cops that works with Jules, but like, are they like, which one's the evil one and the good one.

And like, I don't care about those characters.

Like I want Kimmy and rain in the dumps.

I want them in the trash.

I want them struggling.

I want them being kidnapped.

Like, I don't like, what are we doing? I

You know, if somebody sees you doing it, maybe they have a slightly different appreciation or a different experience watching the show than if they don't see you, even though they know you're there.

Right.

Uh, well, I, I think that's just part of the magic of puppetry.

Nobody's ever really fooled.

Everybody knows.

I think even as a kid, I was aware that puppets were something that were being controlled.

Because I got involved in puppetry at a very young age, and I was al- I always knew that somehow your hand went somewhere to make something move, and I was never under the illusion that these things were moving on their own.

I mean, clearly, like what, what appeals to you so much about it?

So,

That's not all he did.

That's not all he did because the Whitman, the whatever guy who opened the car door was saying that Horace was moving like he was 18 again.

I'm just saying, I feel like I was just, I had the image that maybe it wasn't just what Kimmy said happened.

Like there was some hip action.

Also, Matt, you will be joining us on Rock of Love coverage with me and Chantel eventually.

Yeah, soon.

Oh, I love...

Kick it away.

Rob, are you...

Yeah, get rid of it.

[laughs] Oh, gosh, no.

I feel like it's more like, tonight was like, it's suck time.

[laughs] It's suck time.

Did you like the throwbacks back to Big Brother One?

One?Eh, it's Big Brother One.

Yeah.

Like, back to Survivor, narrative warfare, Christian Hubicki.

Like, how do I spin the narrative to make it work for me? And if all these people are against me, I'm just not gonna win.

So I need to figure out a better way to navigate the situation.

Yeah.

Like, it was hilarious.

I feel like we saw Devin's best moves in reality TV on tonight's episode, in my opinion.

Like, screw the coin flip.

The issue is him believing that what he's saying means anything, right?

The, just the, the aspect of this when it comes to Devens and how he's laying this information out, I'm finding, uh, pretty intriguing.

Him and D all season, or at least a lot lately, have been very loose-lipped with, uh, like, giving up their...

Like, showing their cards a little too early, uh, plenty of times.

D especially, I feel like, is, uh, talking to Lala, back to the conversations we were just talking about with them two, and she's, like, telling Lala that she feels like Mallory is the better target.

I'm just like, there's some things that, like, we could kind of keep a little bit closer sometimes and not give all of the information to everybody.

Drop little crumbs, and I guess that's a little closer to what Devens is doing here.

It is

[laughs]

...

but, like, a bunch of people who are, like, rubbing their bodies on an ice block to get a key out or something like that to win a challenge.

And I just thought it was so cool, 'cause I was so, and still am, so competitive, but I loved the competition aspect of it first and foremost.

And then I think I also just really gravitated to, like, all the different characters and personalities who I wouldn't cross paths with and interact with in day-to-day life.

This is, like, a weird comment that sort of ages, uh, myself and probably everybody who's around the same age, but, like, the internet was, like, new, more newly a thing.

And so I think that...

Mm.

The guy who was behind "Died Suddenly." Again, another, I know I keep saying this, amazing podcast

Back to Epstein.

Epstein had all sorts of people on his island, politicians, MIT, uh, professors, bankers, celebrities, the who's who.

Uh, Stephen Hawkings was there, bro.

I mean, I mean, I'm talking about everybody, presidents and nothing...

What did Ghislaine go to jail for? Who are, who are the victims? Like, supposedly this is all made up.

This was a, a Democratic hoax, okay? Like this is, this is, it's a, uh, it was the who's who.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, it's tough though.

Like, they, they're coming in, you know, everything's going pretty well for them so far.

They're Survivor players, though.

How are these newbies gonna outdo the Survivor players? And so I, I just felt like there's a, especially in this episode, like a huge amount of hubris that we see popping up.

It's like, don't get too comfortable with everything that's happening.

Um, I don't know.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, it's tough, though.

Like, they, they're coming in, you know- Everything's going pretty well for them so far.

They're Survivor players, though.

How are these newbies gonna outdo the Survivor players? And so I, I just felt like there's a, especially in this episode, like, a huge amount of hubris that we see popping up.

It's like, don't get too comfortable with everything that's happening.

Um, I don't know.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So we're like, well, we're going to clean this real well before we put it in here.

Yeah.

We're going to leave all the hazmat labels on it.

And the groups would, you could see part of the walls broken out to the left-hand side of the screen there.

So they would come in, and we'd come in with joint compound and mortar and made it look like it was a stone wall, but it was all plywood walls.

but it looked like they'd busted through a block wall and had found this old area, and they would have to come and walk around the desk, and we would have an actor through the doorway on the right-hand side, and they would have to walk into a bathroom scene.

And is that because... you've that's the way you've been taught or that's just the way things work out i mean to me that's the way i get better i get a better look out of stuff that i'm doing you know

All the forwards on the bench is, is this the death of the front rower, Matt Scott? What are you, what's going on here?

Well, the traditional front row is slowly getting phased out, I guess.

And I'm not, not carrying a traditional front rower on the bench does the, the front rower in me cringes at it a little bit, mate.

I do like to still see a specialist front rower on there, but, you know, I look at a guy like Max Plath and what he's done in the NRL so far this year and what he did in games one and two and, you know, the Reuben Cotter style, I guess, and just that leg speed and versatility around the ruck.

And you combine that with, you know, someone like Harry Grant, who I think's had a, outstanding series he creates so much ruck speed just with with how he plays and how he how he picks the ball up and speed out a dummy half and you combine that with a few few guys with fast feet once once you get fatigued we're really seeing And seeing Queensland play over the ad line.

So, mate, look, I'm not going to question Billy.

He's obviously doing really well in that arena.

Obviously, were fantastic players in their day, but now doing a really good job in the coaching staff.

All the forwards on the bench is, is this the death of the front rower, Matt Scott? What are you, what's going on here?

Well, the traditional front row is slowly getting phased out, I guess.

And I'm not, not carrying a traditional front rower on the bench does the, the front rower in me cringes at it a little bit, mate.

I do like to still see a specialist front rower on there, but, you know, I look at a guy like Max Plath and what he's done in the NRL so far this year and what he did in games one and two and, you know, the Reuben Cotter style, I guess, and just that leg speed and versatility around the ruck.

And you combine that with, you know, someone like Harry Grant, who I think's had a, outstanding series he creates so much ruck speed just with with how he plays and how he how he picks the ball up and speed out a dummy half and you combine that with a few few guys with fast feet once once you get fatigued we're really seeing And seeing Queensland play over the ad line.

So, mate, look, I'm not going to question Billy.

He's obviously doing really well in that arena.

Obviously, were fantastic players in their day, but now doing a really good job in the coaching staff.

Yeah, I agree

... are probably happening there.

I, and I g- agree with you completely, Chantel.

I think there is something to the fact that ch- maybe she didn't feel like they came...

She definitely didn't feel like they were coming in the right way.

Um, but I also think that the other thing is maybe there's a world where Monique is known for her comedy, you know, she had, like, The Parkers, sh- like, really successful Black show and all that, sitcom on, on, uh, on the networks.

And that's great, but maybe she wanted to go in the direction where she was taken more seriously.

That was fake as hell

What, what have we covered in these episodes, Matt?

Yeah.

Well, for those of you who may be tuning in, uh, just for the first time or maybe jumping in this season here at the end, we've been exploring, uh, LTI's Soul Care Audit, which is a resource that we put together, uh, f- for personal assessment to look at all of these facets of self-care and soul care to kinda give an honest assessment of, of how well we're doing with that.

And, uh, some of those things that we have talked about, of course, we just began exploring what is the soul, uh, what do we mean when we talk about the soul, and what do we mean when we talk about soul care.

Uh, we've looked at the care of our physical bodies.

We've looked at the care of, uh, of our mental health, our emotional health.

We've explored the practices of silence and solitude and Sabbath rest, how we can, you know, kinda lean into the gift of Sabbath as well as, as live in this kinda cadence of slowness and ceasing and resting.

Yeah.

So is there advice about bonfires?

Yeah, we would absolutely recommend that anybody tries to leave any bonfires they were thinking of having during the summer when it's hot.

And even in normal summers when it's hot and dry, we would much rather people left it till the weather was a bit damper or there was another opportunity or found another way to get rid of the things they want to burn.

Is there a way that they could recycle them, they could move them somewhere else? Is there a different way of doing things? Under normal conditions, if someone were having a bonfire, we'd obviously want them to keep it well away from anything that's particularly flammable around it, well away from any dry vegetation.

And as you've just said, with a weather warning coming along that's getting even worse, that becomes even more important to us because our resources are going to be committed to other things.

We want to be available to save people's lives and save people's property.

We don't want to be dealing with a bonfire that's got out of control that could have just been done at another time or could have been done in another way.

What about the fire service? Do you have perhaps a different protocol or are there things that you're more aware of as you enter this quite unprecedented warning level?

And once I got in there, I was like really trying to make sure that I wasn't leaving.

No.

And I'll, I'll even say like, it's, it's interesting because when RHAP put up the call for podcasters, like it was right after everything with George Floyd and Rob was like, we can't, we have too many white people here.

So, I mean, basically, so, you know, but I think what's so cool about that is that while we, we were all like, I would say like 50 of us, Mari probably were like put in a tough position as being like the diversity in these podcasts.

Like, you know, especially for me and Mari being there, like people know us like as us so much more than that, which is really cool.

But yeah, I think like for me, it was interesting because I went in thinking like, okay, I want to be there to talk about social change issues, like address those issues that come up because that was comfortable for me.

And now like I end up talking about like people riding bananas covered in slop on Big Brother.

Oh, it is,

Matt, how have you seen the power of listening in the years that you've been in ministry contexts and community development?

A lot of what I'm present to and thinking about is you're sharing Gail and some of the questions you're posing, Steve is, is imagining this or thinking about how this gets lived out in living rooms and small group sort of contexts.

And the idea of listening, I know I was, I was responsible for shaping and, and leading small groups for a season.

And I, It was really challenging.

It was very challenging because people have all different ideas of what spiritual community is.

Some people see it as let's get together so that we can learn information together and study together.

Some people get together in spiritual community in small groups because they want to be heard and they want to be listened to.

What else does it take to build and maintain and solidify this thing that we know everyone craves, everyone desires?

so Matt, you've sort of alluded to this before, but if you could distill Q's biggest strength down to one quality, what do you think that would be?

[laughs] One quality.

I would...

You know, I would say that to me, it, it seems like his...

And it doesn't translate all that well through the edit, but his ability to keep these relationships, um, you know, congenial at the very least, or collegial at the very least, where people want to work with him.

People do wanna talk with him.

Um, to borrow from Charlie, who's also on Season 50, uh, and his love of Taylor Swift, it doesn't seem like there's bad blood in the context of, you know, people wanting to work with him and talk with him.

Well, who will be entertaining Q's prospects of being an ally right now? Outside of the 46ers, is there anyone that you're eyeballing could try to work with this guy, considering what they know about him?

It's another light bulb moment.

If you are really, really thirsty, water goes a lot further if you suck it out of a sponge rather than just drinking it.

Because you get the sensation of sort of having drunk more and just wetting your lips makes a huge difference.

So I would use the sock like a sponge and I would suck like the rainwater and sweat from my feet out of the sock until it got dry.

And then I would exchange it with one of the socks I was wearing and just repeat the process.

The longer I walked, the more I would regress back to simplicity, back to kind of childhood, to the point where I was just singing these nursery rhymes, the same few verses that I could remember for hours and hours and hours and hours as I walked, like originally out loud and then progressively sort of right down to my breath, almost meditatively.

I think, I don't know, these things just kind of help you keep going somehow.

Then he gingerly removes his wellies, revealing the battle scars of 12 days lost in the jungle.

Over the course of the next seven months, he lurched from calamity to calamity.

I ran out of cash.

I lost my card and had to get cash sent to me and had huge administrative problems that took months to resolve in Cali.

I got strangled and dumped unconscious on a side street in Cusco in Peru.

I also completely ran out of money in a place called Leticia.

I had to shack up with some homeless people for about two weeks.

I also got kicked out of Colombia and Brazil and kind of Venezuela all for overstaying visas.

Even if it all goes horribly wrong, a decisive dash for freedom is better than doing nothing and accepting his situation.