What's been happening this year? What have you been thinking? what's been keeping you

busy? I mean, actually, the conversation I was having there about politics, it got me sort of thinking about how wonderful it would be if we saw a sort of reconsideration of the direction of travel, and maybe use some of these changes as an opportunity to just reconsider whether we're going in the right direction overall, and I know we talked a lot about value for money in the last episode we did together, and I'd perhaps summarise that as if you have a system where the inputs are historic performance and some kind of minimum size criteria, then the outputs are very likely to be cost minimisation and herding behaviour.

And how about a system where you have the inputs as more sort of principles-based, things like trust, integrity, transparency, those types of things.

And I think you're more likely to get outcomes that are value-for-money outcomes.

And so I think we probably...

If you go back over the years, we probably did have a system that was principles-based.

And the thing that gradually turned us away from that, maybe, on a system level, was some sort of concerns around bad actors.

Yeah, very,