And-

I wish, uh, I wish we could have played more tournaments together.

We kind of played together in sort of a weird, you know, timeframe of professional volleyball domestically, kind of after the AVP had folded in, you know, 2010 and then those, you know, kind of weird tours, Corona Light Wide Opens, uh, you know, pro beach tours, NVLs.

But it was always a pleasure.

I always enjoyed playing with you, enjoyed following you play no matter who you were playing with, as long as I wasn't playing against you, uh, which fortunately it's been a while since [laughs] I had to do that.

So congratulations on your retirement and, uh, best of wishes at the farm with your boss over there.

Uh, maybe it, it's just really hard to get someone to be as steady as Billy, but if someone is kind of like a, a rollercoaster and you're trying to get them to that place, uh, of being steady like Billy, is there anything that you think of, uh, or how you do that?

Y- you know, that's, for me, emotional control, you know, during competition is something that is, is kind of learned, and for me, I didn't really learn it till later in life or later in a professional career.