But to ask the question I think Tim was leading to, like, where are you at on the hopium versus copium stage of gun violence prevention?

Yeah, I mean, I am, I, I am still pissed.

Um, uh, I'm pissed at Republicans and I certainly am also pissed at, at Democrats who are willing to throw away this issue, um, um, and, and not talk about it, not push it, um, 'cause it's out of the news.

You know, I think the, the power of March for Our Lives in 2018, um, and the power really of young people in any movement is the ability to, to see that things do not have to be the way they are because that's the way they have always been.

And so I refuse to allow myself to become numb to the losses, to the stagnant policies, to the, um, to the lack of progress, because I think you have to have that fire in you that things are still possible or you will give up and join the crowd of this is too hard, let's, you know, focus on other things, let's focus on the immediately practical, or let's accept that there's nothing that can be done.

I reject that, um, entirely, fundamentally.

Um, and I think the ... something that, that helps hold onto that hope that change is possible is looking at the state level where enormous progress has been made since 2018.

Um, where are ... where, where do you see your voters on the ICE stuff? Are they as pissed as you are? Is this gonna be a matter of trying to get them to lock in?