Mm-hmm.

And I thought, "I can't, I can't do this.

I don't wanna just be a paycheck dad." So I, as much as I really loved the job that I was doing, I shut the business down, and I started at a midstream company in Hardisty, Alberta, and I was there for 18 years until this last March, and I worked my way up into a leadership role at Gibson's.

It was, it was good.

There's also a lot of challenges with burnout, with not protecting yourself, looking out for other people, so that led me into wanting to be somebody who would look out for others and their mental health, which Ian Hill with Empowering Minds and You Make the Difference came to Hardisty, and he was talking about suicide prevention, being a first identifier.

And I saw him there, and I went up to him and said, "Ian, I would love to do what you're doing." Well, lo and behold, he asked me in March if I would want to join his team and be a facilitator.

I automatically said yes.

Um-