... and what do you think it is that cats give middle-aged men emotionally [laughs] that people maybe can't?

Oh, I have a lot to say about this, and here's what, uh, I think.

I think that when I turned 40, my dad died, and like I was married at the time, but my wife was out of the country, and my ca- all I had really in close...

I mean, I have friends, but like in close proximity, I just had my cat there.

And the thing about like getting, uh, like condolences from a person is you're always kind of obligated to say thank you, and often people don't know what to say.

Like if you're grieving, like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry," blah, blah, blah.

People don't know what to do, but cats don't really just do anything.

So, um, so before we wrap up, tell me kinda what, what are, what are you trying to make people understand about Catman in the show? What, what was the goal of the show?