Like was it, were they quickly on board or did it take some explaining what you wanted to do? Like what were the early conversations like with both brewers and ingredient suppliers who have sort of come to the party?

yeah i mean i guess we had to kind of prove ourselves to some extent so like i said when cornell from shambles um came to support us he you know it was he was kind of dubious i guess with the first event but then when he took part and saw how well it went he quickly supported it so i think there was a there was a proving stage um We have the National Science Week funding, which we've got to some extent, whether a national or Tasmanian, which has always been great support because that's money.

We need money to run an event.

Um, but, uh, I think it was probably the second year.

I don't know.

Can we had the support in the first year? Cause that was pretty, pretty hodgepodge, um, bring together kind of no events background, um, between Kelsey and myself.

Um, but the second event we started reaching out to ingredient suppliers, um, because that's when we wanted the brewers to brew their own beers, essentially specifically for the event.

What do you think drives the popularity? Is it just beers perennially interesting along with science or is it you feel like, you know, those return customers are just scooping them up really quickly and people don't ever want to like miss it once they've been to one?