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Matt Burtman
Senior Director of Learning and Development at Indeed; HR executive and co-author of *The Insightful Leader* specializing in leadership development and talent management.
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Jun 23, 2026
Why Employees Reject Managers, Return-to-Office Rules, and Even AI Rollouts with Matt Bertman, Nick Bloom and Ram Srinivasan
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1:33NovaHOST
What did your research reveal about how employees truly feel about their managers? And what does that tell us about the future of leadership?
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1:40Matt BurtmanGUEST
In the research that we did, in the interviews that we conducted, we recognized that rarely has there been leadership books that have taken the perspective from employees.
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1:49Matt BurtmanGUEST
As I mentioned a few minutes ago, oftentimes the books are written by leaders themselves or by politicians, famous sports athletes, things of that nature.
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2:01Matt BurtmanGUEST
And we were fascinated, as you also said, by the findings that we had uncovered, where when asking employees how they truly felt with regard to the relationship that they had with their manager, we asked them a very flat out question.
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2:13Matt BurtmanGUEST
If given the opportunity to, quote, unquote, kind of virtually sort of fire their boss, wave that magic wand.