So would you mind taking us on a little journey? Where are you from, and how did that beginning in your life determine what you'd be doing long term?

Yeah, right.

So I grew up in Sydney.

Um, and I grew up in a fairly dysfunctional family.

Um, my father was an alcoholic, um, and he used to abuse my mother.

Um, and my brother and I and my mother were rescued from that situation by my uncles, and we moved in with my grandparents for a period of time.

Uh, my brother was a lot older than me.

[laughs]

And then did you always have your eyes set on Special Forces or?

You know what? No, I didn't.

If I have to be honest with you, I, I didn't.

Of course it was, it was a known thing, but was it something that was I went into the army wanting to do it? No.

I think a lot of that happened after my brother's death and me then, I don't know whether it was needing to prove something to everyone, that I was different and I needed to constantly excel, but I had this feeling in, in me that I needed to excel at everything that I wanted to put my hand doing.

And so, yeah, I, I attempted selection the first time.

I'm an idiot.

Mm-hmm.