Let's talk more about that.

Yeah, I do too.

So Stephen Hayes, who was the leading developer of acceptance and commitment therapy, ACT as it's known, is really, for me, he and his research and the research that has come out of this theory is really the place to go.

And there's a six-step process, but it begins with radical acceptance, really facing into the difficulties in your life, not denying them, not pushing them aside, but facing into them, admitting to yourself how it's affecting you.

And what his research and other researchers have shown is that just doing that makes painful experiences a little less painful.

that we somehow diffuse or demystify or empower those experiences by facing into them.

And usually what happens is we gain a deeper appreciation for, oh, it's not as bad as I thought, or I can see a way forward, or I can imagine ways that I can deal with this.

But, you know, Maybe too much.

Which one do you find people in their 60s and 70s often neglect?

Yeah, well, I have two answers to that.

Among men, connectedness, relationships is one of the ones that is often overlooked or that we men find difficult.

And I have maybe just a bit further on why I think that's a challenge for men.

And you really pointed to one of the reasons.

For most of us men, the relationships outside of our family that we spent the most time with were in the workplace.

And many times in the workplace, relationships are more hands, arms length.

So what's one evidence-backed thing you'd want that person and the rest of us in the next 30 days to try out and see for ourselves?

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[upbeat music] Hello, I'm Matt Bloom.

I am a social psychologist and an emeritus professor at the University of Notre Dame, where for almost thirty years I studied the wellbeing of people who work in the helping and healing professions, people like international aid workers, healthcare professionals, public school teachers, clergy, and many others.

I wrote Lasting Wellbeing because over the course of my research, I learned that people really struggle to find the best ways to take care of themselves and help the people in their lives do the same.

They're flooded with remedies, advice, and information, and they don't know how to navigate this bewildering barrage.

I've learned from hundreds of people who are discouraged because everything they tried has failed to help.

And when I ask about their experience, most unknowingly have been relying on bad advice.