We're being led by Massey Burke.

This thing that we're working on here actually has the framing to the interior and the bales are to the exterior, which is why we're doing an exterior plaster.

But Annie and David were open to some experimentation in an effort to develop a lower carbon exterior finish.

I've watched plaster's weather quicker because our weather regimes in California have changed.

And so now we get a lot more of a combination of windblown rain because we get these atmospheric river storms that didn't used to be a common form and now they're very common.

And the combination of wind and rain is the enemy of an earthen plaster.

It can handle getting wet, but when you have driving force behind water, they do weather because clay doesn't set chemically, it just dries.

And so in places in the world where the clay plaster is meant to be the sacrificial layer, that's where they re-plaster every year, like in the Southwest.