Did you ever sit down with him and have those conversations, father and son, like origin story? Is there a wall? Was he taking bits and pieces from his own life? Do you know where the first original idea and the germ of the idea came from?

Yeah.

I mean, it probably...

It all started when we moved to Gisborne in the 1970s, mid-1970s, and we moved into a back valley road, which is just behind town here in Gisborne.

The property was just a small holding, so it was only four acres, something like that, and he only had sort of a handful of sheep and a couple of house cows and some chickens.

But it was what gave – what was happening around him, I think, really gave him the idea to turn those into a few funnies.

And, yeah, it sort of snowballed from there.

It was like, pick up the paper, read Fort Rock Flats.

there in the middle of town.

Yeah, it was conjured up about 10 years ago by the mayor at the time.

Pride in Gisborne, which was a trust that was all sort of self-funded and Weta Workshop did it.

The people who do the Lord of the Rings and Avatar.

I think they do all kinds of stuff like that.

And they did a great grand job.

It took them about a year to do the bronze.

Did you ever sit down with him and have those conversations, father and son, like origin story? Is there a wall? Like was he taking bits and pieces from his own life? Do you know where the first original idea and the germ of the idea came from?

But tell us how this one was picked and how you came across it.

Yeah, there are treasure troves of his work around the place in the National Archive, mostly now.

But this one came about because New Zealand Water Safety had the pictures from the 1980s which was a sort of a similar kind of campaign for water safety then up on the wall and glenn who's the head honcho there um was sitting back in his office from what i understand and looking up and wondering how to go about promoting water safety and decided to to give it a rejig and and the prince sort of been brought back to life and it is a classic as you say

Why has it been a cause that you've long supported? Oh,

it's just such a great cause to get behind.

And obviously, it's so important.

Some are coming up.

it's going to be a long hot summer and there's going to be a lot of, there are, there are going to be a lot of people out there in the water on, in boats and surfing and swimming and rivers and all the places we love.