How did you get there?

Walking, months.

Uh, I won't say it's days because it, it, you know, like, it, it's a lo- there's one thing to use a truck, but there's one thing to walk from one town to the other as you're making your way down south, you know, to Kenya.

Uh, I, I just do remember that very moment when we made it to the borderline.

Ah, I used to think it was a line.

You know, there would be, like, probably a red dome-shaped something, like, at the border, and I'm like, "Where's, where's the line?" I, I, I was so obsessed with that, but it, you know, it was just another borderline with hundred of refugees coming either from Ethiopia or coming from Sudan or coming from the other side of Sudan, uh, around, um, Uganda or something like that.

We all just found ourselves in this border town called Lokichoggio in, in, in Kenya, and there were soldiers.

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