working or difficulties loving.

And in my mind, Eric, our role as psychotherapists is to bring our body of knowledge to understanding What has gotten in the way of that normal, healthy growth and development? So if they weren't bringing difficulties to us, I mean, a very humanistic approach to psychotherapy is, and this is kind of Carl Rogers' approach, right, is that we listen, we reflect, and the natural growth processes take over.

And that was Carl Rogers' approach.

That's a humanistic approach.

That's the school of psychotherapy, which is true under certain conditions with certain patients.

Now, you might remember I have a background in working in hospital settings with severely disturbed folks, you know, with schizophrenia, with bipolar, with complex developmental trauma who had to be hospitalized.

And I have, in addition to that, 25 years of outpatient private practice.

And if one was that kind of therapist that had had that immersion in a couple of approaches and now you're doing therapy and you're synthesizing, how would you explain for our audience your impressions of, I know this is a very challenging question, of how that happens moment to moment? How does synthesis happen?