What advice would you give for someone who's going through that? Acceptance? Working on it?

I, I, accept- acceptance is something that's very far down the line when you're going through something like that.

Because at the first, the first reaction is to look out for something that's gonna fix that hole, because it feels like an empty hole.

So we're gonna look outside of ourselves for something to fix that or to fill it.

So, you know, sometimes it's, you know, alcohol or smoking or eating or, you know, people get depression or, um, 'cause, you know, you really, you can really go into that place within yourself because the person has pressed the button.

And it can be also anger.

And so then we're running to try and, and f- fix that hole.

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