What do you think caused that theological shift in his belief system?

Well, I think, you know, as a teenager, he observed, you know, all the – it was like the Victorian – coming out of the Victorian age and all the protestations of all the, you know, virtue.

But sometimes life kind of takes turns and you don't really live up to that.

So he saw that when he got to Italy, he was just wowed by the beautiful cathedrals, the beautiful – uh catholic tradition and he just he just he just gobbled up i'll tell you that the priest in a farewell to arms is almost like a carbon copy of the priest that he met in the mess hall when he was an ambulance driver he was a second lieutenant Dr.

Don Giuseppe Bianchi.

And he was the priest who actually, when Hemingway was on that battlefield, gravely wounded, who anointed him.

And from that point forward, Charles Scribner, the Zion of the publishing family that brought us Hemingway, and as Scott Fitzgerald said, he considered himself a Catholic.

How can the fact that Hemingway took his own life in his latter years in 1961 be reconciled with his professed faith?

the studios are thinking about relocating.

Oh, right.

Yeah, because the tax treatment is not ideal on the whole.

I mean, California has not managed their economic circumstance um like they should to keep to keep the the studios there and then the whole the film business of course has has gone through a real transition i mean you know from the heyday of i was i was friends speaking of reagan um my good friend who was best friends of reagan was a.c lyles and he was there in the heyday you know 1939 was the the the year you know he was i think he's ahead of publicity at that time for um paramount So, yeah, there's a convergence of factors.

And yeah, I know like the, who is the family? The David, oh gosh, no, no.

Of course my brain is going to go loop-de-loop.

But the big producer is How I Met My Mother.

Tell us a little bit about Lee Atwater.

I invite you to speak to that.

Yeah, I mean, that is really...

It was, um, H.R. Stoneback, um, known as Stoney, and he was a mentor.

He was the, um, premier scholar of, um, Hemingway's Catholicism.

Um, that was what he really honed in on.

Um, I think, and you know, it's, it's revealed in The Sun Also Rises, um, the, the theme of, um, you know, um, sinning and expiation.

Um, Hemingway said it was, um, a tract against promiscuity.

I invite you to share about all that and how that pertains to Hemingway's Catholic faith.