Mm.

Uh, so it wasn't costing me anything apart from my time.

I was MCing it.

It's a bit like the gong show, you know.

[laughs] Everybody has 15 minutes.

I know, I didn't gong them on, but, uh...

And in advance we showed them how the system worked and if they wanted to do an experiment with our system, and so we had people like people from the Royal Ballet, we had, we had, uh, uh, games designers, we had, um, uh, we had, uh, people who designed, um, brainwave reading headsets controlling soundscapes live.

Sure.

Mm-hmm.

And if you go to, I mean, I, I was lucky enough to live in Venice for 30 years, and I used to go down to the, to the church of the Pieta where, uh, uh, where Vivaldi wrote, for which Vivaldi wrote The Four Seasons.

And you go into that church, and you hear, like, uh, them playing the authentic instruments from the period performing The Four Seasons, and you realize that he composed that, uh, the, the only keyboard they had at the time was a, like a clavi- um, you know, a harpsichord.

It's, it's t- really quiet.

I mean, you can barely hear it.

It's only in the most pianissimo passages that you can hear it being played, but it's there.

And then the other thing I noticed about that, I mean, this is going off topic a bit, but-

Okay.