Thanks, as always, for listening.

[gentle music] Hello, and welcome to this episode of Careful Thinking, a podcast series exploring ideas about care.

I'm Martyn Robb, and I'm the host of the podcast.

In each episode of Careful Thinking, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a writer, researcher, or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care.

For this episode, I'm really pleased to be joined by Zechariah Mickel.

Zach is an independent scholar working at the intersection of continental philosophy and theology.

He holds an MA in philosophy from the Global Center for Advanced Studies, and he's worked in schools as a therapeutic skills trainer, and also as a marketing manager and associate editor at Wipf and Stock Publishers, where he continues to host the Theology Mill podcast.

I, I really enjoyed getting a chance to chat with you today.