And

you need to be fairly resilient as well.

You know, you're working with other people, you know, volunteers putting on these shows or someone who's... organized various aspects of it so i guess come i'm bringing it back to collapse it's sort of it's sort of it's talking about the the tenderness of people as well so i guess being aware that The other people involved or whoever turns up, you know, we don't know what's happened during their day and, you know, just I guess showing the grace and tenderness towards them is important too.

absolutely absolutely talk to us about about working with rod mccormack again it was a little different at this time i guess after the first time

yeah we were better at it what did he kind of bring Uh, he's, he's, he's great.

He's just, he's really wonderful to work with.

And, um, I feel so lucky that we, we get, we got to, and we get to, I didn't expect to, you know, the first time we were given the award, this Troubadour foundation award, and we were sort of sent there.

So we really didn't know what to expect.