Is that the same with the resilience programme?

I mean, very similar, a little bit different because the guys who come on the resilience programme, the majority of them are like maybe 30, 35 plus.

They've all got families, kids.

They've all got a small business or they're a tradesman or they've got a high-stress job or whatever.

And these are all blokes that the way the world is set up now or the kind of external pressures you have on you right now These are all blokes that have kind of like gone through times where they feel like the weight of the world's on their shoulders.

They feel like they're kind of holding the world together for everyone else around them, which I think is a good trait as well.

And I think men should do that.

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