Why are we celebrating him? And then tell us about the other guy.

Roald Amundsen, who is, I think, by any metric, the most successful polar explorer to have ever lived.

But there aren't that many business school case studies on him or bestselling books.

He's not really well known outside of his home country of Norway.

And I mean, I was fascinated.

I'm a historian originally.

I'm a professor of leadership now.

And we just kind of ignore that because striving and overcoming hardship, even if it's hardship of our own making, we think is a sign of incredible leadership.

How is AI changing? How am I interacting with my employees? How am I preparing myself? How am I learning? How are you advising and supporting leaders through this discussion?

And where should I start? Yeah, yeah.

And again, I think there's this rush to nail down actions.

These are the actions I need to take as a leader.

And again, I'm a big fan of taking it slow, taking a step back, and first surveying the landscape, right? So let's understand before we decide to act.

So before I give you any prescriptions on do these three things...

Let's ask ourselves, how is the introduction of generative AI changing the relationships, the culture, the feel within organizations? And what I need to say as a scholar, you know, as a scientist here is that we're seeing some evidence of how things are changing.

How can an employee build trust with somebody that has a title, for example, because he did that 10 years ago, but nowadays he also, he or she doesn't understand that.

meeting an additional person for coffee, I

feel like, do I really have time for this? You know, I have so much going on.

Is this really going to be worth it? And then I do it and a few minutes into it without fail, I'm like, this was so worth it.

Because, yeah, as John was saying, people have different perspectives on things.

And it really is the fastest way to learn, especially if it's a two-way street.

You know, you see something that might give them a new perspective or some value in whatever projects they're working on.

And the other way around, it opens up the door to other people.

Yeah,

Why are we celebrating him? And then tell us about the other guy.

Roald Amundsen, who is, I think, by any metric, the most successful polar explorer to have ever lived.

But there aren't that many business school case studies on him or bestselling books.

He's not really well known outside of his home country of Norway.

And I mean, I was fascinated.

I'm a historian originally.

I'm a professor of leadership now.

And we just kind of ignore that because striving and overcoming hardship, even if it's hardship of our own making, we think is a sign of incredible leadership.