Think like a CEO, talk like a CFO, and act like a CHRO.

AI suddenly becomes this holy grail, if you want to use it like that, for a lot of companies.

Whereas if you don't fix the underlying organizational structure, AI is just going to scale, uh, fragmented experiences faster.

And so, um, I remember s- still like the day...

Like, like yesterday, uh, the moment where I decided to not go into that direction was in 2006 when I was asked to, to be, um, helping or supporting, in this case, a negotiation team of both grassroots and corporates in New York when that's where I, I almost got arrested in the General Assembly because I protested.

Just, uh...

Yeah

... and then start looking at your journeys not as products, like within the different silos, right? So talent management suddenly is a product.