So tell us a little bit about that and how you go from being a chemist, in essence, to having an interest in measuring, um, what's happening inside an athlete through testing their saliva.

Yeah.

Um, thank you.

Yeah, that's, uh, that's absolutely true.

Uh, I am a chemist by training.

Um, I also worked in experimental endocrinology during my chemistry bachelor's, um, where I did non-invasive steroid testing for animals.

So this was basically the first time I-- the first touch points w- which I had with this kind of topic.

... what can't it tell us?