What type of role do you think, not just individuals, but what type of role do you think these organizations that have members, have membership, specifically Black membership, What type of role do you think that they play in the shaping of some of these, you know, policies and black agenda items that we're looking to improve on?

Well, I think beginning, you know, with the black church, you know, I think everybody knows the history of the black church in terms of, you know, using the civil rights movement, you know, as an example.

And the black church has been a place where, you know, the problems impacting Black people and what needs to be done can be expressed.

Some people may think that because of the president's anti-DEI positions or his position regarding people being outspoken about the inequality that African Americans are speaking or are experiencing, may prevent the black church from speaking out.

But that is, in fact, not the case.

A member of his administration has said black churches and churches can speak truth to power.

And I think the church can be a leader in informing black people about what's going on, letting them know what's going on, who is involved in Black empowerment, providing space.

Do you think it's worked more against us as black people or white people?