Mm.

Yeah, because, um, don't wanna get too much into the machinations of charities and not-for-profits, but you know, someone starts it, they're very emotional and, and passionate about it, and then it becomes a, a, a board or a committee or a- Mm ... you know, a, a, an, an association which just has to be run as a business or in a professionally, and sometimes the emotion, they, they lose control of their baby, sort of- Yeah ...

if they're not careful, all those things.

So yeah, absolutely.

Being aware of that and would help you in your own practice later on as well.

It, it does, and the reality is a lot of people that set up foundations do so because they've got some very close personal connection- Mm ... with the subject matter.

Yeah.

If that's the lens that you're going in with, probably gotta check the lens and make, and, and question whether that's the right-