Yeah

... like, fur- as far away as I can from my real-life experience.

So when I was growing up, there had been a number of, uh, what do you call them, adverse childhood experiences.

You know, some traumas and family difficulties and pain.

And, um, I got myself probably at, at age of 18 when I decided to go to university, really I was, I, I was quite numb.

I was very, very head-based.

I'd followed the line of maths and science because it didn't really involve any kind of emotion and any kind of feeling.

Ah.

Why do you think developing a sense of wonder about the universe and about the stars in the sky, it's so valuable for children today?

This is such an important one because the use of screen time is just going up and up.

And what screen time does is it takes you into a world of thoughts and ideas.

It's just sort of mediated from reality, right? So maybe it's somewhat real because you're somewhat communicating with real people, but there's a step back from your direct experience of the reality.

And I know that, you know, both in Australia and the UK, we've been experimenting with social media bans and trying to regulate the use of social media and screen time.

It's such a massive thing.

So then anything we can do to encourage children to actually look up from their screen and see the world and just be curious about it.

Yep.

and

So I've written a few books around what I call mindful stargazing, which is, you know, the kind of stargazing you do, no telescope, no apps on your phone, just kind of lying down, looking up and being in the space.

Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's clear and you get a lovely, but sometimes it's not.

And, you know, it's the UK, isn't it? And you really...

rarely see the stars of course but then it's just about being open to being in the night time and your experience of this space I think a lot of people find the night time a bit you know not such an easy place to relax into so then We've got a little little one.

He's four years old.

And, you know, I've been thinking a little bit about how to approach this kind of stuff for kids.

How does that help kids?