What, though, was that impetus that made you start the show?

Well, Tracy, thanks so much for letting me come on the show and, and share this podcast binge-ability [laughs] as it were.

It's always great to talk about podcasting as well as education.

So I think the main thing was was I sort of got involved probably about 2015.

2014, 2015, I started listening to podcasts and just thought, "This is something I really like," 'cause I like the personal touch of it.

I like the earbuds.

I like being able to go for a walk or listen to it in my car.

Talk to us a little bit about the development of that.

can you tell us just a little about that and how schools get started?

I think first thing is not to be scared of it, because I think one of the things that's happening currently is that there's a whole generation of teachers coming into the primary education who didn't experience it in their education because they're relatively young, certainly compared to me.

And so they didn't experience it in their school.

So therefore, if they hadn't had music lessons, if they hadn't done it, then they're very scared.

concerned about having to deliver music so it becomes a let's not get involved so I think the way to embed it is one to have people who are supporting the school from the top to say this is important you know so you're listening to music one of the things that one of my schools did is they every morning started with them listening to a piece of music.

They sort of had a tannoy around part of their school.

That meant that parents would go, their bags were down, they were going into their classroom, and it wasn't just on in the background, it became something they listened to, and it had a theme and they developed a heart.

And also, if you've got any advice for individual classroom music teachers, what they can do in their own school community.

What was that like? How did you get started?

So, I mean, what you just sort of said there as part of the bio, I think is my life.

It's what happened to me.

I was just very fortunate and people do pull me up on that and they say, well, you shouldn't have been fortunate.

It should be open to everybody.

But I think many of us all know that not everybody does get the opportunity to do some of these things.

So, I was very lucky in primary school.

But I also want to hear about your podcast journey.

people and they decided? Yeah.

Okay.

So I sort of played around with that, you know, before we started the company and I really liked it.

Um, and, uh, Steve Hall, who was my original partner in Dominion had been sort of a friend and mentor of mine prior to, to me, uh, coming to work with him.

And, um, part of, I think.

I loved the idea of being on the ownership side of the real estate business, but part of what Steve unlocked in me, or at least in my brain, was I had been super involved in church and young life and sort of like... quote unquote, more like missional things when I was in college and out of college.

And part of what I could never connect the dots on when I worked in sort of the finance world was like, what am I doing here? Like, is there any real, you know, eternal significance to this? I, you know, I thought, oh man, if I'm going to be if I'm going to do a job that has some sort of meaning and significance to it from a, you know, like kingdom perspective, it needs to, I guess I need to go work at a church or I need to go like work in, you know, whatever.

How do you do that

When you start getting into systems and some of the elements you identified, it's To me, that shifts a lot of the thinking around how should the board jump in and what should they be looking at and where can they positively influence safety?

I mean, I think that you've hit the nail on the head there.

Quite often when there's an incident, it's you know we look at look to the person you know you can imagine from a board perspective we have systems we provide them with the equipment we provide people with the training so it must be their fault if something's gone wrong and actually we need to change that thinking and it's a person last approach we need to think about the situation um that people that you know we've created and i think Boards influence safety whether they intend to or not.

That's the point.

Of course.

Through their priorities, their questions, their incentives, resources, and the type of information they choose to believe.

And it's quite natural to look for information that confirms what we want to see rather than objectively.

But again, reinforces the need to have people that have experience to be able to interpret, to ask those questions, just like you did as part of your board work.

Can you tell me about that?

Well, luckily, I haven't been in one of what people call foster homes.

I've been with foster carers.

It wasn't actually my mum that put me into care.

Care actually took him out? Yeah.

Well, what someone had done, they reported something was happening.

I think it was one of the teachers I knew well at Oakwood Primary at the time.

Mark is collecting photographs of Tony on his laptop.

Yes,

and they would go with Daddy, and they loved beating dents out of the car and just washing it and this and that.

And I love telling people about Jesus, and I love seeing them be so excited about, you know, going with Daddy and doing this.

And, man, next thing you know, I ended up crashing that thing, but it was on the 4th of July race.

Had some folks from Lawrence come up racing with us.

And something told me to go talk to this one feller to say, all right, and I know you faster.

I think he had a fetish of touching cars, had to touch every car.

He was mad because you took him away from a cheeseburger.

Thank you.

so I'm a professional musician by trade I've been a professional for about 25 years now originally from the the west part of England here in the UK moved to London and went to music college and I've had the real privilege and pleasure of being able to play with some of the most amazing orchestras and music theatre groups across the UK and got to travel the world.

And it's really that ability to have a passion for music, but to be able to find that passion in school and education, which kind of set me off on my journey, really, to be able to share that as a musician and then to be able to bring that back into education.

I teach drums and percussion.

That's my instrument.

And I was basically able to share that in two or three schools, but then set up a music education company and and was going into lots of different schools, doing samba workshops, African drumming workshops, and going around the UK, being able to deliver these whole class workshops with lots of different age groups.

And the one thing that I found, which was amazing, was the fact that in most break times, I'd go into the staff room and there'd be a member of staff sort of banging their head against a brick wall saying, I got into education.

I think I would ask...

As someone who has witnessed a lot of death, do you believe in reincarnation or is it a metaphor for something else?

No, it's just something that I think none of us can really ever answer.

We can use our...

We're going, well, that's poppycock.

That's just not going to be...

How could they transfer one life to another life? Where is that happening? And it's the sort of thing that if you've had a few glasses of wine with a few friends and you think, you might, if you're lucky enough, get into a good discussion like that.

But when you've been writing a book for a year and looking into that, and then you've got all your past stuff with your father thinking he was Jesus, it really... matures into something else it matures into a world where suicide bombers are then if they can be done suicide bombers are caught in their next life and they're tried and tested you've got people pointing out and saying that person there they killed me 300 years ago and then that's why you get detectives like uh jason ives from killing time who are then tasked to find out who that killer was in their past life you've also got people saying i'm not going to leave that money to um my children i'm going to leave it to myself in my next life i'm just going to come back and get it back so there's all these different changes but yeah i think doing a post-mortem many times but my first post-mortem uh was just a standard sudden death it wasn't really suspicious but they they sometimes do this and it's just of an old lady she must have been in her 80s and There's nothing there.

What was the transition like and what did you learn about acting and filmmaking from being so close to a major star?

Bennett.

Yeah, I took my two sons again to the grand final.

So this is, what, 11 years after the crying on the way home.

And at this stage, I'm in the box.

I've got the nice invite to the box.

I've got my two sons up there.

Down at half time, didn't play very well.

Maybe not greatest players, but the players that extracted a lot out of what ability they had.

What are your thoughts on sort of how Ben Stokes will be remembered as a test captain, as a player?

I think everyone will see and remember Ben Stokes as a great player, a great all-rounder, no doubt about it.

Great competitor.

Had a knack of picking up a wicket with the ball when needed be.

And with the bat...

He's the sort of guy who could go miss-miss and then score a great 100.

He was that sort of player.

Do you think this is the end of Baz Ball or do you think they'll persist with it?

Tape is rolling.

Wishing and hoping and thinking and praying.

Planning and dreaming.

Each night of his charms.

That won't get you into his arms.

So if you're looking to find love that you can share.

All you gotta do is hold him and kiss him and love him and show him that you care.

[laughs]

Why is the crop smaller?

Well, there's a lot of reasons to that.

If you look at the big 30,000-foot view, the proliferation of simulcasting and people watching racing on TV and gambling on racing on TV as opposed to being there in person has naturally reduced the number of racetracks that you need.

So, less tracks, you need less horses.

On the other side of that, on the breeding end, if you go back, my grandfather was born in the 1890s, so-...

he used horses every day.

In fact, he had a business where he would haul supplies back and forth between Frankfort, Kentucky, and Louisville, and then some to Lexington.

What would you say to someone for whom that's the main objection?

Why do you think there's so much transparency in your market and so little in his?

I can't speak for why there's not in their realm.

In our world-... it's about efficiency of the marketplace.

Keeneland will sell 4,000 yearlings.

It's kind of like the NFL draft, and the show days leading up to the auction is kind of like the combine.

Everybody's looking at it, they're studying the metrics, they're watching videos, they're doing DNA testing, heart scans, veterinary checks.

It's very efficient on the Thoroughbred side, and maybe it's our volume that requires that.

Can you give me a, a preview of this year's Keeneland sales from your perspective? What are you anticipating? What are some things you know and some things you don't know? What's the total dollar amount you're hoping to come away with?