As you look at the arc of this period, what do you see as the tentpole, so to speak, the most important developments over that timeline?

Well, speaking of the LA Phil, its growth in many ways, and people don't always necessarily understand this, was very gradual.

It was able to take its time, it was able to persist in ways that so many organizations won't do anymore and actually build an audience, build enthusiasm, and do a lot of things right in the way that it put the art first.

And you don't see this very often in almost anything anymore.

And I think that's a really inspiring thing.

30 years ago, when I arrived back in LA, I had been in I had begun at the LA Herald Examiner 50 years ago, but had gone off to New York for a few years and came back to LA to take the job at the Times.

The LA Phil was not in very good shape.

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