Mm.

And that led me to looking at cases in a very, very different way.

And so when you talk about, um, you know, cases that I'm most proud of, I think it's the impact cases.

So I would say, you know, some years ago I, um, thought that, um, homosexuality being criminalized was a pretty bad thing, and it's criminalized in many Commonwealth countries.

And so, I mean, a few years ago I took a case, uh, in Botswana, um, for the Human Dignity Trust, which I was, uh, helped at the beginning of.

And, um, I was able to have homosexuality decriminalized.

I then held it on appeal, and there's an enormous pleasure in knowing that there are tens of thousands of people who are gay in Botswana who have had their life improved by something I've done.

As you said, in a common law environment, in a common law environment, it's, it's iterations over time, but also there's, there's legislation that comes in as well.

Is that correct?

Exactly.

Think of English contempt like it's the world's strictest school disco.

You're allowed to dance, uh, but only two feet apart, facing away, and thinking pure thoughts about legal procedure.

How, how, how, how long a stretch is he or she looking at?

Uh, your friend is looking at a holiday that he or she, uh, didn't book, it'll be all-inclusive, and it'll have bars on the windows.