Yep.

Uh, with that buck, you're not, you're not gonna get by it.

Um, the other thing is the weather.

Um, I am absol- I watch the wea- I watch the weather so much that my wife says, "What's deer cast look like?" [laughs] And I'm like...

She's like, "Oh, so you're gonna go on Wednesday, huh?" And I'm like, "Yeah." But I watch it to the point where, um, several years ago, gun season, um, it was cold the first couple days of rifle season.

Well, it turned off warm, like 68, 70 degrees, uh, about four days into rifle season, and we were at the cabin where I hunt and my wife said, "You gonna hunt?" And I said, "Nah, we'll hang out, sit here and drink coffee, and we'll just hang out and do nothing." And, uh, she's like, "Why?" I said, "Well, it's 68 degrees.

I'm not going in the woods.

So give everyone a little bit of a backstory on that.

But what made you decide, I can make a call? Were you a competition caller and wanted something better, or what was going on?

I was.

I had...

In college, I played football at Western Kentucky.

There were six of us lived in a house.

Hilltoppers.

Played football.

So how big are your, I call them blanks, I guess, that you start out with? I mean, what do you, do you rough cut and then just.

[laughs]

And started calling a duck calling contest.

Well, I started winning.

Qualified for the world.

And so my hiatus from turkey calling, I called at the World Duck Calling Contest, I think it was four years in a row.

And my last year I called in it, um, called it in November in Stuttgart.

In February, I was calling the Grand Nationals for the first time.

... talk through that with us, and w- what do we need to know?