I don't know how much debt, Mark, you got into.

Well, I was unfortunate.

I...

Just missed the final year where it was a grant where everyone got to go for free.

So I did have to take out a student loan.

So that was a bit painful because there were even people on the course like two years above, I think, who were still there completely on the house.

Um, so that created a little bit when I looked at my bank balance and how much I was sort of like, um, yeah, bringing in, but I'll tell you what actually helped because it went a long way at the time was when I, I was at uni, I actually managed to start working for capital gold, um, in a. in a nice quirk of fate because as i say adam leventhal was uh on the course and i'll always be forever grateful to him because he got there and i was like i know your name because i listen to capital gold all the time and i was like and you're actually on the course with me that seems mad because i thought that you were like you know a professional so you didn't need to go to uni but He'd started even younger at Capital and I was like, look, I don't want to like pest you, but like if there's ever an opening at Capital, I'd be, you know, mad to get involved and stuff.

mark's my mate he's great at his job you know um so you probably would have got some pushback from that which you wouldn't have necessarily wanted just because of the the way the story was framed