Let's understand what are Indigenous knowledge systems and then how do they fit into the current tertiary education systems.

Well, Charles, my first differentiator is the time when I give keynotes.

I ask people to look at their watch and give every minute on their watch a thousand years.

And blackfellas have been here the full hour.

But the foundations of Western knowledge, Plato, Socrates, have been here one minute, three seconds ago.

So we put that in perspective here.

That is a good way of sort of introducing people to the concept of how vast our knowledge systems are.

Right.